From: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Newsgroups: fa.linux.kernel
Subject: Re: [git pull][resend] Input updates for 2.6.22-rc7
Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2007 01:11:27 UTC
Message-ID: <fa.IgmANxZoEvqGUWkoZEe414vIYlQ@ifi.uio.no>

On Fri, 6 Jul 2007, Jesper Juhl wrote:
>
> > I'm constantly surprised by just how _many_ ways MUA's find to screw up.
>
> 'pine' actually seems to work pretty damn well once you disable the
> flowed-text "feature".

Yes. And 'alpine', it's modern version, does even better, but you also
need to make sure to disable "downgrade-multipart-to-text".

I've been using alpine for a while now, and it's nice to see it be utf-8
capable and able to handle other charsets well.

So as a former pine user, I can recommend upgrading.

		Linus

March 8, 2006

Marissa Mayer prefers Pine to Gmail

[mayer]Marissa Mayer, VP, Search Products and User Experience at Google confesses to CNN Money that she doesn’t use Gmail for her business mail.

“I don’t feel overwhelmed with information. I really like it. I use Gmail for my personal e-mail – 15 to 20 e-mails a day – but on my work e-mail I get as many as 700 to 800 a day, so I need something really fast. I use an e-mail application called Pine, a Linux-based utility I started using in college. It’s a very simple text-based mailer in a crunchy little terminal window with Courier fonts. I do marathon e-mail catch-up sessions, sometimes on a Saturday or Sunday. I’ll just sit down and do e-mail for ten to 14 hours straight.”

Pine is a mail program developed at the University of Washington. It has a lot of keyboard shortcuts and countless ways to sort, shuffle, and sift through your email.

Pine was the defacto email client for so many universities (including mine);

these kids today don’t know what they were missing!

It was a rare window of human Time On Earth where every single person at my massive nearly 100K-size college used Control-X to send every email.

已知阿里云邮的 IMAP 服务器的CAPABILITY输出有问题, 导致 alpine 去尝试使用 AUTHENTICATE EXTERNAL 认证方式, 从而失败.

对策

调出 alpine 的隐藏配置[X] Expose Hidden Config, 把EXTERNAL加到禁用列表里.

 # List of SASL authenticators to disable.
 disable-these-authenticators=EXTERNAL

我当时用于调试的主要命令有:

 $ openssl s_client -connect imap.gmail.com:993 -crlf
  0 CAPABILITY
  1 LOGIN

 $ alpine -d4
 $ less ~/.pine-debug

发送时出现:

 >Mail not sent. Sending error: 440 mail from account doesn't conform with authentication (Auth Account:<

调试过程:

 $ alpine -d4
 $ cat .pine-debug1

发现MAIL FROM字段有问题:

 IMAP DEBUG 03:14:17 8/22: MAIL FROM:<scateu@alibaba-inc.com> BODY=8BITMIME
 IMAP DEBUG 03:14:17 8/22: 440 mail from account doesn't conform with authentication (Auth Account:wangkang.wk@alibaba-inc.com|M

对策

于是手动加上

Customized Headers                = From: 王康(五达) <wangkang.wk@alibaba-inc.com>

Save 的时候经常会出现一个D, 然后很可怕的把下一封邮件也删除了. 疑似是Bug

对策

[X]  Save Will Not Delete                                                  

https://productforums.google.com/forum/#!topic/gmail/EX3FKvJFu1w

Deleting from IMAP for Gmail is like archiving. Email disappear from Inbox and goes to All Mail folder. Mail is not really deleted.  So Alphine will not find email in Trash folder to undelete.


If you want deleted mail to go to IMAP Trash folder, Go to Gmail webmail Settings.
In Labs tab, turn on Advanced IMAP controls.
In IMAP settings for Auto-Expunge, set to "Do not automatically expunge messages"
In Labels tab, hide the All Mail folder in IMAP).

Then you can do a delete and mail will go to Trash folder.

1. QQ邮箱不支持RLIST指令

参考这篇讨论

IMAP DEBUG 23:46:01 4/5: 00000007 RLIST "" %
IMAP DEBUG 23:46:03 4/5: 00000007 BAD ÃüÁîÎÞЧ»òÕß²»Ö§³Ö

于是, 要在Disable These Authenticators里面, 加上对LOGIN的禁用 这样才能在LIST里面看到所有目录

但是! 这样SMTP的时候, 会提示无法进行Authentication…. shit

2. QQ需要装手机安全中心

需要新建一个应用程序密码登录

It's somewhat out of the bag, but just to make it official...

Cheers!

Michael Seibel
Networks and Distributed Computing              mi...@cac.washington.edu
University of Washington, Seattle               (206) 543 - 0359

-------------------------


                         PINE ELECTRONIC MAIL

BACKGROUND

Pine is a mailer developed by the University of Washington Office of
Computing and Communications. It has been designed for ease-of-use and
with the novice computer user in mind. It is based on Internet mail
protocols (e.g. RFC-822, SMTP, IMAP, and MIME) and currently runs on a
variety of UNIX platforms.

The guiding principles for achieving ease-of-use in Pine were: careful
limitation of features, one-character mnemonic commands, always-present
command menus, immediate user feedback, and high tolerance for user
mistakes. It is intended that Pine can be learned by exploration rather
than reading manuals.  Feedback from the University of Washington
community and a growing number of Internet sites has been encouraging.

A stand-alone version of Pico, Pine's message composition editor, is also
available. It is a very simple and easy to use text editor with text
justification and a spelling checker.


FEATURES

   - Mail index showing a message summary which includes the status,
     sender, size, date and subject of messages.

   - View and process mail with the following commands:  forward, reply,
     save, export, print, delete, capture address and search.

   - Address book for saving long complex addresses and personal
     distribution lists under a nickname.

   - Multiple folders and folder management screen for filing messages.

   - Message composer with easy-to-use editor and spelling checker.
     The message composer also assists entering and formatting
     addresses and provides direct access to the address book.

   - Online help specific to each screen and context.

   - Supports access to remote mail repositories via the IMAP2 protocol
     defined in RFC-1176.

NEAR-TERM PLANS

   - Integral SMTP support for easy installation on Unix workstations.
     (This is desirable when Pine is used as an IMAP client of a shared
     mail server, since it obviates the need for installing and configuring
     sendmail on each workstation.)

   - Support for multi-part mail conforming to proposed MIME Internet
     standard, allowing sending of sounds, graphics such as GIF and
     TIFF files, and binary files such as spreadsheets.

   - Permit a user-specified editor for message composition.

   - Port Pine to MS-DOS  (Stanford's Mailstrom is recommended for Macs.)

AVAILABILITY

Pine and Pico, including source code, are freely available via anonymous
FTP from ftp.cac.washington.edu on the Internet. Other provisions for
distribution have not been made. From the Internet, you may try out Pine
and leave comments by telneting to "demo.cac.washington.edu" and logging
in as "pinedemo". To join the Pine mailing list for announcements send a
request to "pine-inf...@cac.washington.edu".

Pine is very portable and runs on a variety of UNIX machines including
DECstations, NeXTs, VAX's and Suns. Pine was originally based on Elm,
but it has evolved much since, ("Pine Is No-longer Elm").

For further information send e-mail to pi...@cac.washington.edu. Pine is
the work of Mike Seibel, Mark Crispin, and Laurence Lundblade at the
University of Washington.

92.3.24

alpine/status.c

void
q_status_message(int flags, int min_time, int max_time, char *message)
{
    SMQ_T *new, *q;
    char  *clean_msg;
    size_t mlen;

    status_message_lock();

    /*
     * If there is already a message queued and
     * new message is just informational, discard it.
     */
    if(flags & SM_INFO && new_info_msg_need_not_be_queued()){
        status_message_unlock();
        return;
    }

    /*
     * By convention, we have min_time equal to zero in messages which we
     * think are not as important, so-called comfort messages. We have
     * min_time >= 3 for messages which we think the user should see for
     * sure. Some users don't like to wait so we've provided a way for them
     * to live on the edge.
     *    status_msg_delay == -1  => min time == MIN(0, min_time)
     *    status_msg_delay == -2  => min time == MIN(1, min_time)
     *    status_msg_delay == -3  => min time == MIN(2, min_time)
     *    ...
     */
    if(ps_global->status_msg_delay < 0)
      min_time = MIN(-1 - ps_global->status_msg_delay, min_time);